TroyToy ([info]troyworks) wrote,
@ 2005-10-06 08:09:00
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Social Networks
Busy month in the internet space.

http://personals.salon.com (and onion.com, and, and) formerly springstreet networks went kaput, and switched over to fastcupid's system, who not surprisingly is turning things into a social network (peer ratings, add friends, join community, etc). More interesting to me is they've added MBTI, the quiz is brief (and in someways stilted), but guessed me as an INTP (unsure if any other metric like degree of introversion is measured). They are suggesting I pair up best with oddly non NT's and NF.
They have 2 pricing models strongly incentivized towards yearly memberships, it will be interesting to see how they do.

Much buzz on Ning.com, which lets people do cool stuff, like cloning sites e.g taking a friendster clone and turning it into bulldogster for pets to address the long tail. Great idea, it will be interesting to see with the barrier to entry into SN taken away, how much of a community people can build when there are so many to choose from, and perhaps so little reasons to stay, unsure what degree peoples profiles will migrate from flavor to flavor. It reminds me of the early days of internet authoring, where color every letter or blinky text was abused, not adding much value except to the author when it's really all about how you attract and build and keep a community, which always takes a strong personality/purpose/content. Ning will let existing communities connect to each other and build stronger communities. I expect to see large corps and communities like MoveOn pick up these tools. This should be cool as a purely connection based sites don't integrate nicely with peoples lives, e.g. going to match.com to find two people who like They Might Be Giatns, unlike say livejournal where those connections have meaning/purpose on a daily level. It would seem it's now officially pointless to get into the SN space, but they still have a long way to go: so now any community can build itself a site easily, but pivoting on a single tag/interest is closer but still a ways from what it could, should and will need to be.

Within 10 years the number of people using SN sites is going to explode, and since it's lost it's stigma for the most part, eventually between rich media, and mobile devices, and rich communities and persistent online identities, I expect it to become a baseline for people with expectations. As far as we've come, so far I haven't seen a site ready to tackle that future. In some cases the technology isn't there, in others the audience isn't ready/listening yet.



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social networking not delivering on promise
[info]metaeducat10n
2005-10-06 05:29 pm UTC (link)
I've been studying Wikipedia a lot and thinking about the "next-generation web" and two things are seeming clear to me:

1. The ability for any person to annotate and revise the content of any web page is critical
2. Filtering the explosion of content resulting from (1) requires a browser that is aware of the immediate (and transitive) implications of information encoded in social networks

No single organization should be trusted with a person's social network information. The data should be kept by an open-source P2P application which each person runs, that talks to their friends and distributes only the information necessary.

I often get to thinking about how to make the internet and social networking better, but I'm reminded of what a friend of mine said about how the internet "hadn't worked" . He meant this with respect to finding magical hidden soulmates who had been kept out of your reach but were living right next door. He claimed that those you meet are the same (or of peer "quality" for all practical purposes) to those you'd encounter by living your life as you ordinarily would. He found this very distressing, because he thought something like the internet would have solved the problem of loneliness.

It's funny, but I think there's a salient truth to it...kind of like Strong Bad's quote in website: James, the Internet is a place where absolutely nothing happens. You need to take advantage of that.

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Re: social networking not delivering on promise
[info]troyworks
2005-10-06 08:16 pm UTC (link)
I disagree. I don't want anybody editing my journal entries, wikipedia is a special case not the rule, as most of the content is of general interest therefore the masses police themselves based on the relevance content to themselves. People can't delete the history so any defacing is shortlived.

I will say that if I opt to make a page a wikiable anyedit, I want security on who gets to do what, SN are a step up but it's a complex problem. I have friends I trust on some subjct matters and not on others.

The internet hasn't worked?! depends. I've met most of my relationships online. My longest relationship was met at a dance club/art event. And the only reason we stayed together for so long was physical attraction. But yes it's funny sometimes, one of the people on LJ who I have a lot of commonalities with lived just down the street and I never knew it. But with our schedules we never would have run into each other except for an odd party, and seeing as we are both introverts that may have not been enough to start a converstation.

Part of the issue is social valences fill up quickly. I only have time for so many relatioships, humans being what they are, they focus on history rather than the iffy game of 'better quality'.

Part of the other problem is the people who are ideal matches for people like your friend, have people accessible to them that don't spend all the time on the PC.

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Re: social networking not delivering on promise
[info]metaeducat10n
2005-10-06 08:54 pm UTC (link)
Even "locked" pages should have unlocked discussion pages. If your journal is spreading misinformation and I wish to say so to my friends (or people who would be my friends if they knew me personally)...then there should be a way for those associated flags to come up when I'm browsing. To call that editing may be broad--clearly there must be a way of ensuring the integrity of things like quoted text. But that's what I mean.

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Re: social networking not delivering on promise
[info]troyworks
2005-10-06 09:04 pm UTC (link)
in theory I agree. But this gets into game theory, who's right? and on who's dime? and rull by the majority.

Giving people the right to voice means people will whether you want them to or not. Integrity requires a viewer who is typically subjective.

e.g I piss off some people in Kansas saying that if they allow ID in the schools they have to allow Spaghetti Monsterism as well, and they send the hoards of people to fill every page of my blog with crap comments. Essentially a denial of service attack, keeping the people I really want to read it from doing s. Of course I could be asking for it, be talking about Spaghetti Monsterism seriously as new agey, or terrorism tutorials, or how to start a cult, or any manner of things.

Not on my server/dime. Thus your recourse is what it currently is, copying the text and reposting/distorting, drowning outor vocalizing loudly enough on google which try to be less biased.

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